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WELCOME TO WINSON GREEN,Winson Green Birmingham, England
Our Aim
To collect and save information about " The way we were" in WINSON GREEN
ANY STORIES OR PHOTOGRAPHS YOU WOULD LIKE PUBLISHED ON THIS WEB SITE
LATEST UPDATE
WHITMORE STREET 04/07/08
LODGE ROAD 04/07/08
ABBEY STREET 02/07/08
BLACK PATCH 19/06/08 (LATEST COMMENT)
HANDSWORTH NEW ROAD GIRLS SCHOOL 13/06/08 (School Photo)
BLACK PATCH 09/06/08 ( COMMENT)
ABERDEEN STREET 01/06/08
CARL CHINN
will broadcast his WM Radio Programme
at the
BIRMINGHAM ROMANY MEMORIAL REUNION
to be held in the grounds of the
"Soho Foundry Tavern"
JULY 6th 2008 1till 4pm.
Everybody is welcome to this FREE event
For further details or a copy of the BRMR newsletter.
Email: ted.rudge@btinternet.com
MEET US AND CARL CHINN AT THE BRMR REUNION
SOHO FOUNDRY TAVERN 1920s
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HANGED AT BIRMINGHAM
 This is the title of a proposed (Next Year) new publication by Steve Fielding www.stevefielding.com Steve has already written "Hanged at Pentonville", "Hanged at Durham" ,"Hanged at Liverpool" and "Hanged at Manchester" comes out soon.
Can you offer Steve any information, stories, anecdotes etc. Is Winson Green gaol haunted? Have you been inside or outside on the morning of an execution? Do you have any information regarding the history of the prison.
Steve has already built up a good collection of material for the book and has copies of the execution book from the gaol which listed details on all the executions and photographs of many of the killers hanged, along with letters to the hangmen.
On our site there is already information that could be used, if you were the author please let me know if you have any objections to Steve using it.
Please be assured any information you supply that is used in the new publication will be credited to you.
Please give Steve your support and send it direct to steve.fielding@ntlworld.com or to me ted.rudge@btinternet.com and I will forward it.
"Good Luck"
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WINSON GREEN
01/10/07 *** MURDER QUERY***
Could you help John Gillon it's about a story he heard years ago and I wonder if anyone on the web site knows any more .
The story is about a police constable who murdered a women on the side of the canal, I believe it took place in the twenties in the Winson Green area and the police constables name was Powers that is all I know about it.
If you are able to help E:mail jgillon61@hotmail.co.uk with any addittions.
Mike Greens reply 26/10/07
As a young child, I remember my mother talking, in hushed tones, about this incident. Joseph Powers, who used to be a policeman, lived very near to us, at what I think would have been 20 or 22 Heath Green Road, and we used to pass his back gate when using the passageway to the backs of the Williams and our house.
My mother claimed that Joe Powers, who I believe was Irish, had once chased her! He later committed a murder and was subsequently hanged at Winson Green prison. This was confirmed to me when, many years later, I read an account of the affair which was published in a crime series (by Fenton Bresslaw?) in, I think, The People newspaper.
Apparantly a young courting couple were strolling along the canalside in Winson Green when they were stopped by Powers who claimed that he was a police officer and that they were breaking the regulations by being there.
When the young man offered some objection, he was knocked unconcious by Powers and when he recovered, his girlfriend was nowhere to be seen and her body was found later on. When the police questioned the young man, the detective in charge instantly had a hunch on the identity of the killer and took the young man to a nearby factory, (I believe to be Cannings on Constitution Hill) where the employees where coming out and the young man identified Joe Powers. This all took place in the very early Thirties.
Mike
The answer to the above question 26/10/07
Power, James Joseph
A former policeman sentenced to death at Birmingham Assizes by Mr Justice Swift on 9th December, 1927, for the murder of Olive Turner, a young factory worker. One night in autumn l927, twenty one year old Miss Turner and her boyfriend Charles Bromhead were strolling beside a canal at Winson Green, in the shadows of Birmingham prison, when they were stopped by Power. Pretending to be a plain clothes policeman, he asked them for proof of identity. When they could not prove who they were, he told them he was taking them into custody on suspicion of committing some crime. As they headed towards the station. Power suggested he was open to a bribe by saying they could 'square up with him.' Bromhead offered him fourpence. 'Fourpence is no good to me,' he replied. At that moment. Bromhead, rightly suspecting that Power was an imposter, told Olive to make a run for it. Power gave chase. and struck Bromhead a blow to face. rendering him senseless for a short time. When he came to. the others had disappeared. Further down the path. a courting couple spoke to Power who was dragging the distressed girl by the waist, and he told them he was a policeman taking her into custody. It was l 1.30pm. Five minutes later, another couple heard sounds of a struggle followed by a splash. Olive's body was later discovered in the canal. She had been raped and had died as a result of drowning. Thirty six year old Power was identified by several people as the man on the river bank claiming to be a police officer. As the sentence of death; was passed, Power shouted at the judge that he did not want any sympathy but announced that he planned to appeal. It failed, and he was hanged at Winson Green prison, a stone's throw from where he had committed the murder, by Thomas Pierrepoint and Robert Wilson on the 31st January 1928.
An extract from http://www.real-crime.co.uk/Murder1/DOCA.HTML
Many thanks to Mike Green Email: mikedrums@blueyonder.co.uk
Click DOCA to read many more murder stories from this source.
21/09/07
DOES ANYONE knew about a Joseph Frederick Morris who was hit by a train in 1954 he was only fourteen.
According to his death certificate he was hit by train on the railway line between Roebuck Lane and Trinity Road West Bromwich on the 22nd November 1954, and died the following day. His parents were John Morris and Elsie Martha Morris, sadly they died before him. Joseph had a sister named Olive Morris "my mother" and they lived at Bradford Place West Bromwich. I never knew much about him as my mother died in 1979 I was only nine years old, she told me about Joseph who was my uncle before she died. Joseph was always playing a mouth organ and mother said he went to a school, but I can't remember if she said it was in Winson Green or Handsworth i would be very happy if you could display this on your web site, some one might know about this. A report was suppose to be in the papers but having checked all the local librarys I can't find it.
George Baker Email: ukozzy_69@hotmail.co.uk
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July 2, 1971
A school trip to the seaside ended in tragedy today when a train derailed near to Waverton, on the outskirts of Chester. Only two hours before the accident Chester's temperature was registered at 87 degrees, the highest for many years. The seaside special was carrying teachers and pupils back to Birmingham after a day trip to Rhyl. Two children were killed and scores of others injured when the last coach left the rails and overturned at Tattenhall Junction, shortly before 6.15pm.Cheshire Magazine:
TO READ THE RESEARCH BY BOB TAYLOR and MAYBE ANSWER SOME OF THE MISSING DETAILS CLICK ON BENSON ROAD SCHOOL
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GEORGE LIDDELL is remembered on the HANDSWORTH NEW ROAD SCHOOL page
HAVE YOU GOT A GEORGE LIDDELL MEMORY?????
Does anyone remember a trip to Weston Super Mare organized by councilor Tony Banks ?
This was my first trip to the seaside and I remember it vividly,
it was a free trip for the two streets Kent Street North and Norton Street.
Does anyone remember St Stephen's RC School Nineveh Road See 24/09/06 entry for Kent Street North
CAN YOU HELP?
I would like to know if anyone knows of Beaumonts Building Winson Green around about1839.
Peter Bayliss Email: lisapeter@tiscali.co.uk
ODE TO WINSON GREEN
by
FRANK THORNHILL 03/0906
I have written my thoughts in the form of an ODE.
To tell you of my life as a kid, in my humble ABODE.
Some of you reading it may find it FUNNY.
But what must it have been like raising kids without any MONEY.
I have lived in this city all of my LIFE
I have witnessed its triumphs, its troubles and its STRIFE.
When I think back to how it was THEN.
When families could number four, six, eight, or even TEN.
Our house was quite tiny; in fact it was small, but very still NEAT.
When you opened the door, you were straight onto the STREET
The pavement outside was covered with GRIME.
But to me it dain`t matter, after all is was MINE
The area I lived in was then called a SLUM.
But to me it was my home, my house, and also my HUM.
No telly for me, when I was a KID.
No one had got one and nobody DID.
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We had gas in our house, and no ELECTRICITY.
For the wires hadn't got to our part of the CITY.
Fridays were washdays for our mom and ME.
And I`d light the fire under the tub, on my bended KNEE.
In the “brewhouse” she'd mangle and maid, rub and then SCRUB.
All of that washing that came out of that copper TUB.
She'd put in a “blue” to make the clothes clean and BRIGHT.
Never did find out how “blue” turned black mud into WHITE,
We played in the gutter, the road, and the STREET.
Cos that’s where your mates where, and that’s where you'd MEET.
We didn't have gardens, no lawn or a SHED.
And most of your mates slept three to a BED.
If you mate had a birthday that lived over THERE.
You would go to his party, with spoon, plate, and a CHAIR.
You sat down and ate whatever you'd GOT,
And pleased you'd been asked and so gulped down the LOT.
The loo was a building built at the BACK.
The side entry was cold it was bleak and BLACK
That’s how it was in the times way back THEN.
I do hope for mankind that don't come back AGGEN.
We played hopscotch, marbles and also FOOTBALL
We also played cricket, with the wickets drawn on the WALL.
When Christmas came round you hoped you'd get something you'd like/
And if you were lucky it may be a BIKE.
The house that I lived in is long, long GONE.
Replaced by council with a bright shiny ONE.
When I think back to what it had BEEN.
I'm glad I'm a lad who lived in WINSON GREEN
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DO YOU HAVE
ANY BEFORE AND AFTER PHOTOS
like this one BELOW???
visit our new page "winson green now"
LODGE ROAD as we once knew it and LODGE ROAD today
See the Stories page for more details.
The new estate includes All Saints Park built on the site of All Saints Hospital
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CLICK here to help save
How important is Black Patch Park I will tell you, if it was a building it would have listed status , but unfortunatly it's not. To anyone who was brought up in Winson Green it was the very centre of our lives. Mom and Dad took us there to play when we were just kids, and we took ourselves there when we were older to while away the school holiday. We took a bottle of pop and some sandwiches and stayed there all day, with never a care in the world. 'The Patch' must not disappear, it is as important now as it was then,probable more so. Our open spaces are fast disappearing and this must not be allowed to happen here. Good Luck in your fight to keep it. JIM 08/07/05
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£11-95 UK post free
"BRUMROAMIN"
by TED RUDGE
Tells the story of the Romany gypsies from and the history of
"THE BLACK PATCH"
ted.rudge@btinternet.com
for details
Including a lot more about our area that has never been published before with a .
Foreword by Professor Carl Chinn MBE
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11 September 2003
Billy
Pulling the Vardo (Bow top Caravan)
along Bristol Road on the way to the pre Book launch of "BRUMROAMIN"in
Victoria Square Birmingham
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17 September 2003
TED RUDGE
Signing copies of "BRUMROAMIN"at
Birmingham Central Library
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Information about this post card
see the streets page (Winson Green Road)
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"Do you remember"
Does anybody know where the house show in this
photograph was?
If you are able to identify please
E:mail ted.rudge@btinternet.com
I'm not certain but, is it possible the "Mystery Building" that you want identifying may be (and only may be) the old vicarage that was behind Victor Road. It was demolished in about 1956 (or thereabouts) and when it was the builders made a mistake when demolishing the tower as it fell onto the wall that divided the vicarage grounds from Victor Road and many bits of it went through one of the house windows and landed up in the kitchen. It created a fine "Tadoo" in the Evening Dispatch and Mail. Looking back through the old paper records (I think there was a photograph) may help. Regards Pat Limacher 15/06/07
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Can you recall An airshow at Summerfield Park the star of the show was a vulcan bomber ??
Paul Gattrell Email: carole.hewitt@btinternet.com
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